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Time to Trade?

I get asked the question fairly often about what time of the day I trade. I think this is a good question, but I hate to see that all other traders use my answer as a blanket approach to determine when they trade, and not really understand the reason why. I want to cover this really quick, and then I will change the topic. I know I have answered this for the majority of folks that read, but this will give me the opportunity to have a link to forward to others when I am asked the question.

A couple of things...

First, dismiss what you have heard about "Amateur Hour." Are you an amateur? Will you be embarrassed if you trade during the first hour of the day? I do it all the time! Most of the money is made in the first hour, and on some trades this could be an opportunity risk if you miss it.

Next, if you place trades based on a particular entry rule or signal, trade whenever you get your signal! What difference does the time make? If I get my signal in the morning, afternoon, dawn, dusk, middle of the night, whatever. Trade your signal!

Finally, if you don't use an actual signal, then the time of day should only relevant to your level of risk tolerance. If you want to run out and anticipate something beforehand, great! As long as you are comfortable with the risk associated with it.

Here are my rules, and you can do what you want with them (except blindly use them). Most of you know I use two different technical approaches to time my entry points.

Support/Resistance entries

Breakouts

For my support/resistance entries, the time of the day is irrelevant. Time does not confirm anything on these trades. I don't wait for price confirmation nor volume confirmation. As soon as the stock is at the level in which I am comfortable taking a trade, I take it.

Breakouts are the only exception. Think about what a breakout is. It is when price exceeds a certain support/resistance level along with heavy volume. Time is very important in this scenario, because you cannot determine if price will remain beyond these levels until the days end. Nor will you be able to determine if enough volume will be present. This is why I wait until the end of the day to trade breakouts. I want to make sure that the price will remain beyond these levels and enough volume has been accumulated.

Then there is the topic of exits.

All my exits are pretty much based on support/resistance. Because of this, I also wait until the end of the day to see if the price remains beyond my line in the sand. If the price is beyond my line in the sand early in the day, I wait until the close to see if it holds or not.

Recommendation: Let's change the subject

Long: Stocks that go up

Short: Stocks that go down

Reader Comments (55)

Shoot me now for jumping out of ISIL yesterday.... I had ridden this thing all the way down....and then back up. Who would have thought that it would make that jump today. My Call Option expires Friday and so I got out early afraid of another move down the day before expiration...

Chuck from Orlando
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 10:09AM | Unregistered CommenterAnonymous
Thanks for the regurgitation, Jeff. Definitely helpful to me. Hope it wasn't too painful.

Hans
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 10:27AM | Unregistered Commenterh2d
Hans,

Not painful whatsoever! I get to use this link now to forward to others that ask the question. You've just saved me tons of time in the future my friend!

Chuck,

You bailed on ISIL?!?!

After the talk we had! Why does you option expire on Friday by the way? This wasn't a short term play, why the short term option?
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 10:29AM | Unregistered CommenterJeff Kohler
GOOG, making a higher low than yesterday. Was yesterdays low the low pint of the flag ? I guess we'll have to keep an eye on it.

Jeff, good post on the PAY trade from yesterday ( I was not in it). It coincided with me starting the book, "Way of the Turtle" by Curtis M. Faith. Your explanation really addressed some of the bias traders must overcome to be successful...I could post the section if anyone is interested. Did anyone else enjoy this book ?

Jamie
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 10:29AM | Unregistered CommenterAnonymous
taking a trade right now...12:47 EST..
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 10:48AM | Unregistered CommenterBob Raimo
Jamie, Great read finished off half of it this wknd. The part mind of trader,the turtle mind, lessons of the turtle class phenomenal reading. Can't wait to finish the rest this wknd.I highly recommend this book to everyone who participates in the blog.
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 10:53AM | Unregistered Commenteroptionfanatic
VIP ( vi...a..mple as Eric call it) getting some live today.


Kas
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 10:55AM | Unregistered CommenterAnonymous
VIP is a strange puppy but I am glad someone is making money with it.

AMX check it out new 52 week high soon low risk entry right now.

also EWZ looks good
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 11:01AM | Unregistered CommenterDavidS
BHI finally. Nearly bailed a couple days ago. Learning to be patient.
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 11:24AM | Unregistered CommenterDoji Girl
Bob, taking a trade on GOOG ?
I bought VIP Oct 110's yesterday.

I am in DVN on a support bounce. It had previously struggled at the $80 level. Now it broke out to a new high but the volume is weak. I am not sure why I am not comfortable with this trade.

Jamie
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 11:32AM | Unregistered CommenterAnonymous
Mahmood,

I just wanted to let you know that I typed up something that might help you regarding your Sector/Watchlist situation. It is in the previous comments section and I am not sure if you saw it now that there is a new link for comments. See ya.

Stephen
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 11:42AM | Unregistered Commenterstep_investments
Jeff, I'm with you. My watchlists aren't the least bit organized.
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 11:50AM | Unregistered CommenterTim
ORBC may be breaking out of a new flag

keep an eye on it
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 11:57AM | Unregistered CommenterDavidS
My watchlists are in notebooks and scraps of paper all over the breakfast bar.

I like Brett's organization of his watchlists because it just seems so well... organized.

liz
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 12:08PM | Unregistered Commenterliz & grant
LPX good short candidate?
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 12:11PM | Unregistered CommenterDavidS
Jamie..

GOOG

I took the trade prior to the breakout above $510, and added on the breakout. Was planning on $510 holding, but did not bail when it dropped. It is at a support area, so I am still in the trade. I'll bail out on a close below $497...
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 12:11PM | Unregistered CommenterBob Raimo
Just closed out Jun positions on MA, CAT, and COL

Still sitting on MA and VIP

Anybody know how to quickly grow back finger nails?
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 12:12PM | Unregistered CommenterStrat
Liz,

I will be thinking of you while you survive the in-laws.

Amy
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 12:12PM | Unregistered CommenterAmy
LPX looks like it could use a little more volume for me. Good put canidate though. Thanks.
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 12:19PM | Unregistered CommenterTres
LPX, personally I'd wait for it to pull back up before getting in.

Strat...you can always get those stick-on nails! Dunno...are you the type?!
Thu, June 14, 2007 at 12:29PM | Unregistered CommenterChip Hopkins

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